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|Re: How much is my 2nd hand DF920 worth ?|
|[from: Bo Wetzel, 23 Sept 2006]|
|Look at the price of similar DFs for sale. Make adjustment for age, conditions and equipment level. A well equipped and looked after boat is obviously worth more. However, not all extra equipment adds value to a boat for a prospective purchaser. At the end of the day the boat is only worth what somebody is prepared to pay you for it. If you pitch the price to high you might have a long wait for selling it. Having said this, there seems to be periods when DFs are more wanted and times when the 2nd hand DF market appears to be dead for no good reasons. I also noticed that serious Dragonfly buyers seem always prepared to travel to purchase a good boat.|
|How much is my 2nd hand DF920 worth ?|
|[from: Camillus Kenna, Ireland, 23 Sep 2006]|
|I have a Dragonfly 920 Touring Trimaran made in 2004 with all the latest equipment. How much is it worth?|
|Rent out your DF920?|
|[from: Klaus Rasmussen, UK, 14 Jul 2006]|
|I'd like to try the DF 920 (extreme) for a week or long weekend. Ideally in Denmark or the UK and ideally in August.
I'm danish, mid-thirties professional living in London and grew up in Kolding DK watching Quick Step and the Dragonfly's on the Fiord but never really tried them until a demo trip with Jens last year. I'm keen to get to know the boat a bit better.
I've sailed since I was 10 years old and have chartered bareboat before so you should not be too worried about your boat. If you are interested in chartering your boat out on a very selective basis and good terms I'd be happy to call you back to discuss further. I can be reached on e-mail: Klaus_rasmussen_uk@yahoo.co.uk or mobile +44 (0)771 426 9184
Thanks/Kind regards, Klaus
|DF920 in list of best 100 sailing yachts ever produced|
|[from: John Blaiklock, UK, 22 May 2006]|
|The UK sailing magazine Yachting Monthly has in its current issue a list of what they consider to be the 100 best sailing yachts ever produced.
The DF920 appears at number 45. The highest trimaran listed is Pen Duick IV in the top 10.
|Re: DF920 Trailer for launching and storing onshore ?|
|[from: John Blaiklock, UK, 1 Mar 2006]|
|The standard Quorning supplied trailer comprises a road trailer and a launching trolley. The boat sits on a trolley, and this sits on the trailer. When launching the trailer is not put into the water, only the trolley. This saves the trailer from seawater damage.
You can buy just the trolley from Quorning. This is suitable for storage, slipway launching, and towing short distances around a boat park. You could also make one or have one made quite easily, it is not complicated. You will need the measurements of where the support points are.
The Quorning supplied trailer and trolley combination is very expensive. It is a substantial trailer.
|Re: DF920 Trailer for launching and storing onshore ?|
|[from: Michel Brown, Canada, 1 Mar 2006]|
|J'ai obtenu de Quorning les plans (format PDF) pour construire un ber sur roue qui permet la mise a l'eau a partir d'une rampe. Vous pouvez me contacter a firstname.lastname@example.org ou contacter Quorning. Ils ne m'ont rien chargé pour ces plans.|
|[I got plans (PDF format) from Quorning for a cradle with wheels which allow the boat to be slipped. You can contact me at email@example.com or contact Quorning who charged me nothing for the plans.]|
|DF920 Trailer for launching and storing onshore ?|
|[from: Christophe Lelu, France, 28 Feb 2006]|
|Does it exist a special trailer for a DF920 just to keep it out the water without a crane and storage for winter on it !
Otherwise, what about the price for a road trailer, or can we built by ourself a such trailer with a plan ?
Thanks. Sorry for my poor english ! christophe lelu
|Polar Charts for DF920?|
|[from: George Minkovsky, USA, 31 Jan 2006]|
|Does anybody have Polar Charts for a DF920, preferably cruising version? Thank you.|
|Re: George Minkovsky, 18 Aug 2005, well published capsize of F31|
|[from: George Minkovsky, USA, 28 Sep 2005]|
|To Bo: My understanding, based on a conversation with Richard Suriani who has spoken to Jens on this subject, is the F31 capsize with the loss of life was not due to sailing on the edge, but rather to the limited floatation reserve in the aft - the boat capsized BACKWARDS. They were taking the main down when this happened. They quit a race due to high wind and were going home. This was a tragic accident but not similar to the other capsizes which usually occur under spi when the leeward ama completely burried under water.
I am not an expert on boat design, but my original comment was to underscore the difference in designs between F31 and DF920.
|Re: George Minkovsky, 18 Aug 2005, well published capsize of F31|
|[from: Bo Wetzel, UK, 25 Sep 2005]|
|Reading about some of these capsizes let me quote a crucial phrase from one:
"...we opted to sail fast and on the edge"
Call me a coward, if you like, but I have been sailing many years a 920 without capsizing ones but then, I've never opted to "sail on the edge".
One thing these capsizes seem to have in common is sailing with, by my judgement, too much sail in a given wind/sea condition. I wouldn't have dreamt of sailing my 920 at over 20 knots of real wind speed with a spi. In fact I have many times sailed single-handed with a spi but one time the wind got up unexpectedly and I have had to take the spi down in over 15 knots of wind without a sock - a scary experience I can tell you if you're on you own.
I also believe in the old adage: put a reef in when you are thinking about and not when it's too late.
"NO Risk No Fun" is, in my opinion, a rather stupid and irresponsible expression and those insisting on publishing it should be treated as contributors to unnecessary accidents and held in court responsible.
Trimaran sailing is great fun and there is indeed no need to take any risks to have and enjoy this fun! I wish all of you a safe and happy sailing. (Sorry, if I upset some of the racing crowd with my above comments.)
By the way, is there a car on the road you can't turn over (capsize)? Well, I would think not, but very few of us do so, only if they're driving "too close to the edge".
|Re: George Minkovsky, 18 Aug 2005, well published capsize of F31|
|[from: George Minkovsky, USA, 25 Sep 2005]|
|To Gerhard Hafele, Austria, 24 Sep 2005
Where to read about F31 capsizes:
The most widely available source is Multihulls World magazine. Don't remember specific issues - check from September 2004.
Google offers a number of articles - try "F31 capsize"
Last year (Aug/Sep 2004) there were 2 F31 capsizes in Long Island Sound, US East Coast, 1 with a loss of life.
|Re: George Minkovsky, 18 Aug 2005, well published capsize of F31|
|[from: Gerhard Hafele, Austria, 24 Sep 2005]|
|Question to George Minkovsky, Aug. 18, 2005:
You mentioned, that there was a number of well publisized capsizes of F-31s recently. Can the reports of these incidents been read anywhere ?
|Danish partnership for a DF 920|
|[from: Morten Hartkorn, Denmark, 27 Aug 2005, firstname.lastname@example.org]|
|I am looking for at partnership in the area of Copenhagen to buy a DF 920.|
|Re: How easy is it to use the DF920 trailer ?|
|[from: George Minkovsky, USA, 18 Aug 2005]|
|I had a custom aluminum trailer built in the USA for my 920. It is a 1 part trailer, unlike the one supplied by Quorning. It is also 2-3 times lighter than the original.
You can contact me directly for more info or speak to Richard Suriani (908-232-7890) - the US Dragonfly dealer. He is familiar with my setup and can arrange a similar trailer.
I did extensive research before I settled on a 920. I compared F31 and 920, as well as a few smaller and larger tri's. each has its own advantages. F31 had a number of well-publisized capsizes recently; it is a lighter faster and much easier to trailer-sail boat. 920 is heavier, more confortable, nicer looking boat. There are plenty of used F31 is the US, but very-very few Dragonfly's. Beacuse of weak dollar, they are now very expensive.
|Re: How easy is it to use the DF920 trailer ?|
|[from: John Blaiklock, United Kingdom, 18 Aug 2005]|
|I have a 920 and a trailer, and have used the trailer a few times. These are my experiences.
The trailer is two part as you say. The boat sits on a trolley which sits on the trailer. The trolley is lowered off the trailer down ramps. Only the trolley is immersed in the water when launching. The trailer is too expensive to put into salt water. The boat on its trolley can be lowered from the trailer easily but care must be taken. The trolley has small wheels and only runs well on a hard surface. It will not run well on grass or stones. The trolley has a long extendable draw bar, so the launching vehicle does not enter the water.
Assembling the 920 is not technically difficult, but takes quite a while, and is physically hard work. Attaching the beams is easy. Attaching the floats is just about possible with two tall strong people, but a few minutes help from a passer-by makes it much easier. When raising the mast getting the mast from the transport position to the raising position is the hard part. You really need a raised platform in from of the boat to do this safely. Once in position raising is easy. Other assembly is easy and light work, if time consuming. Expect it to take half a day, and disassembly similar. It's not something to do for a weekend's sailing.
There are a few advantages/disadvantages of the 920 versus the Corsair/Farrier F31. The F31 is much quicker to assemble and launch from a trailer, because the beams rotate out of the way rather than having to be disassembled. The 920 is much better for a permanent marina berth when it will be left folded. The problem with the F31 in this situation is that the beams sit on their sides in the water and get fouling on their sides - not good. If you have a berth where the F31 can be left unfolded this is not a problem.
The 920 is very much more pleasant inside, with light coloured wood of high quality. The F31 is covered inside with carpet. The 920 is better in a cool wet environment because of the manufacturer's sprayhood and cockpit tent. These are not options on the F31. The F31 uses a dagger board, the 920 a pivoting centre board - dagger is better for performance, centre is better if you accidentally run aground. The 920 has flat float decks (easier to walk on), the F31 curved (less water resistance if buried). I don't often bury a float, but walk on them all the time.
Performance is similar, with both the 920 and F31 having a normal and a racing version. The F31 has a rotating mast whereas the 920's mast does not rotate and is not a very efficient shape.
I reckon the most important decision factor is how you intend to use it...
Launch from trailer every time you sail - get an F31
Keep in the water with floats folded - get a 920
Just get one or the other!
|How easy is it to use the DF920 trailer ?|
|[from: David Breune, USA, 16 Aug 2005]|
|Dragonfly 920 trailer. How difficult is this to use? I noticed from the Dragonfly website pictures of a two part trailer system where you have to winch the boat onto the main trailer after pulling the boat out of the water on a smaller "crib" trailer. Is this the only system available for the 920?
Also, I am very interested in purchasing a used 920, and I would like to hear any feedback as to the benifits of the Dragonfly 920 vs. a Corsair 31 or Farrier, or even the Seaon.
I live in the San Francisco Bay Area and am interested in knowing if there are other 920 owners in the area.
What a great forum! Thank you very much. David
|Tyre pressure for DF920 trailer ?|
|[from: John Blaiklock, United Kingdom, 9 Jul 2005]|
|What tyre pressure do people use for the standard Quorning supplied Brenderup twin-axle trailer for the 920? I could not find any information in the documentation.|
|Wanting to rent/borrow a trailer for DF920|
|[from: Martin Rudolph, Germany, 7 Dec 2004]|
Is there anyone could lend/rent me a trailer in May next year for my DF920??
Some multihull friends are discussing a trip with own tri's to Croatia next year in May. I'm thinking about participation however I need to rent/borrow a trailer for my DF 920. Good handling and resonable charge for lending/rent is obligatory.
Picking up the trailer in NL, D or elsewhere and return is not a problem for me. I live in D and my tri is located north NL.
|Re: How does the DF920 perform in rough seas ?|
|[from: John Blaiklock, United Kingdom, 15 Sep 2004]|
| sail my 920 in the Irish Sea and the South West coast of Scotland. Although this is not water open to ocean weather and sea conditions, it is not sheltered water either. Our strong tides can make for lumpy waves. The East coast of the UK will be similar.
As far as safety and seaworthiness goes, the DF920 will perform just as well in rough seas that any modern similar sized mono-hull boat will from any of the current main manufacturers. A low F6 will be safe and without problem. A rough F7 or above will feel like time to find shelter. A DF920 will be no better or worse than say a Beneteau 31.7. It will not be as seaworthy as a boat like a Contessa 32. It is not designed to be, and few small boats now are. You need to remember, it is only a 9.2m boat. It is not designed for oceans.
As far as comfort goes, few small boats are comfortable in open-water waves from wind above F6, and the DF920 is no exception. There are advantages and disadvantages compared to a similar sized mono-hull. Rolling and heeling is much less, slamming is less, but low weight makes for jerky movements. Cooking a meal in a lumpy F6 will be tricky but not impossible.
High speed performance in rough weather cannot be expected from a small trimaran. As the waves increases the boat needs slowing down. 18 knots off the top of a 3m wave and into the back of the next one is not a good idea. You will still beat the monos, but speed needs to be limited, specially going into the waves. In an open-water F6 7 knots upwind and 11 knots reaching or downwind is a good compromise between speed and comfort.
I have found sailing upwind ability in strong conditions to be significantly better than a modern mono. The narrow hulls virtually never slam, which is what kills upwind speed and pointing on a mono.
The downside is the outboard engine performance into a sea. If the waves are steep it doesn't take much for the propeller to come out of the water. The solution is either to 'tack' upwind under power, or sail. I have never not been able to motor when I wanted to because of this, but you need to be prepared. This is less of a problem than it sounds, because the upwind sailing ability is so much better than modern fat mono-hulls.
|Re: How does the DF920 perform in rough seas ?|
|[from: Malcolm Ratcliffe, United Kingdom, 15 Sep 2004]|
|I am a new owner of a 920, so am relatively inexperienced with this boat. However, I brought the boat around from Plymouth to Swansea in early July, and had 20-25 knots of wind all the way back, with a mixture of on the nose and up the tail! Seas were extremely rough, as the weather had been atrocious for around a week. Coast guard reports gave sea state as 'rough'. Off the Lizard, we could not really see a horizon, as we were surrounded by big waves.
Boat behaved well upwind, and made good headway in the conditions. I notice that the windward float, which is out of the water, is much noisier when being hit by waves than the F27 that I had last. This is due to the float being a broader beam lower down than an F boat. However, the 920 sails much 'flatter' than the F boat, and is very reassuring. Our jib halyard broke, and so we had to drop the jib whilst going upwind in 25-27 knots of wind. The boat will not go upwind under main alone, so we had to motor-sail to shelter, where we sent my brother up the mast to retrieve the halyard. (The boat will go upwind on jib only.)
Off the wind we had big following seas going up the Cornish coast. No tendency to bow bury, and boat tracked well. In the Bristol Channel we also have short steep seas close together, and boat handles these well.
My wife has been nervous of the behaviour of some of the multis that we have owned, especially off the wind. She feels safe on the Dragonfly, though.
|How does the DF920 perform in rough seas?|
|[from: Lesley Carruthers, United Kingdom, 14 Sep 2004]|
|I am very interested in buying a 920, but I have one query to which I cannot find an answer: how does it perform in heavy seas? All the test reports and the website video show the boat in smooth seas. I will be sailing it on the East Coast of England which has short lumpy, sometimes quite steep waves. If anyone has any experience of sailing the Dragonfly 920 in anything other than smooth waters I would be really pleased to hear from them.|
|[One answer to that gives the translation of the contribution below from Peter Potthoff-Sewing 'DF920 Extreme Yardstick rating'. Bo]|
|Re: DF920 Extreme Yardstick rating|
|[from: Bo Wetzel]|
|Click here for an earlier contribution to this from Simon Forbes|
|DF920 Extreme Yardstick rating|
|[from: Peter Potthoff-Sewing, Germany, 9 Sep 2004]|
|Hallo, ich bin stolzer Besitzer eines DF920 Extreme.
Das Boot segelt absolut fantastisch. Mein Heimatrevier ist die Nordsee (Norfriesische Inseln und Helgoländer Bucht).
Auch rauhe Bedingungen sind kein Problem. Das Verhalten in der Welle ist hervorragend.
Hat jemand Informationen über Yardstickzahlen und kann mir da weiterhelfen?
|[Hi, I'm the proud owner of a DF920 Extreme|
Tbe boat sails absolutly fabulous. I'm sailing on the northerns coast of Germany.
Even rough conditions are no problem. No problems with waves either.
Has anybody information about the yardstick for this boat?]
|Re: Dragonfly 920 Transport and location of new DF in UK|
|[from: Norman Whewell, United Kingdom, 20 May 2004]|
|Dragonfly 920 Sail No. ITL920 61.|
Answer to John Blaiklock's question where is the 920 based.
I am based in the North Of England at Glasson Sailing Club, Glasson, Nr.Lancaster, sailing in the Irish Sea.
|Re: Dragonfly 920 Transport|
|[from: John Blaiklock, United Kingdom, 14 May 2004]|
|Another 920 in the UK. Where will it be based?|
|Dragonfly 920 Transport|
|[from: Norman Whewell, United Kingdom, 12 May 2004]|
|I am now the proud owner of Dragonfly 920 sail no.61, which I purchaced from a private individual in Tuscany, Italy.
The company that I used for transportation from Italy to the U.K. was Arne Reher, based in Germany, (Details under Transport, this forum).
This proved to be a wise choice, the sevice was excellent in every aspect. Arne used his new vehicle, a big Amercan Ford pick-up plus his custom made trailer.
Arne assembled the 920, checking everything as he progressed, inlcluding putting up the mast, this was done in the day, having driven 2200 km. No hesitation in reccomending Arne if you want a transport.
|DF920 Extreme Comparison with SEAON 96 ?|
|[from: Andre Krasemann, Germany, 6 Feb 2004]|
|It would be interesting to see the 920 extreme compare to the much lighter SEAON 96. Does anybody know of such a comparison. The boat seems to be capable enough. see www.seaon.com
Vergleich mit SEAON 96. Es wäre interessant von einem Vergleich zwischen dem 920 Extreme und dem schwedischne SEAON 96 zu hören (SEAON 400 kg leichter). Hat irgendjemand von einem solchen Test gehört?
|Any happy DF920 (Extreme) owners in Belgium or Zeeland ?|
|[from: Ze'Manel Alves-Pereira, Belgium, 29 Jan 2004]|
2 questions please about the 920:
1. are there any happy owners from Belgium or Zeeland with a 920 (ideally the extreme version) that I could see?
2. If she can go on shore so easily is it still worthwhile to use a dinghy; how does the centre board works?
|European Yacht of the Year 2004|
|[from: Quorning Boats, Denmark, 26 Jan 2004]|
|Last weekend our Dragonfly 920 Extreme was appointed European Yacht of the Year 2004 at the "Boot 2004" in Düsseldorf, Germany in the category Yachts up till 33 feet.
The jury consists of 11 of the leading European boat magazines. The Dragonfly 920 Extreme gives an "extraordinary fantastic sailing experience" and the boat is of very "high quality and design" were some of the comments from the jury.
|DF920 really be suitable for South African sailing ?|
|[from: Michael Dunn, South Africa, 2 Jan 2004]|
|What I know about Trimarans is dangerous and I need some honest advice please.
A few comments on the Dragonfly 920 Extreme in 2003 sailing mags caught my eye and I wonder if such a craft would really be suitable for South African sailing conditions, especially around the Cape (the Cape of Storms). We have many idyllic days, but the wind and seas have a habit of changing very quickly, and for peace of mind when sailing, one must have a boat which can cope with all weathers in it's stride - not just flat water and moderate winds.
The DF920 Extreme sounds very exciting, but when I read comments about the 'flip limit' and that a Trans Atlantic crossing would not be recommended, maybe it would be a bit too exciting.
Could anybody give me their opinions or experiences?
Until now I have only sailed monohulls here. Thanks for your advice.
|Re: Kathryn Ratcliffe re sailing mums and numbers of 920s in UK|
|[from: Pam Parkes, United Kingdom, 18 Oct 2003]|
|If you give me a ring then I will talk to you about the numbers of 920s in the UK and a 'non yachty woman's' view of sailing the 920. I may also be able to put you in touch with mums who sail the 920. Telephone 01243 576 533|
|How many are there in the UK and ... ?|
|[from: Kathryn Ratcliffe, United Kingdom, 5 Sep 2003]|
|Does anybody know how many DF 920's there are in the UK preferably in the Bristol Channel area? I might like to go and view one!
Thanks too, to the lady from the Carribean who answered a previous e.mail I sent in about a 'hairy' F27!
Regards Kath Rat.
|Answer to: Help! Opinion wanted from sailing mums|
|[from: Aine Brathwaite, Caribbean, 14 Aug 2003]|
|Best way to make a performance boat less 'hairy' is to ask husband to 'cruise' slowly with family aboard. Encourage him to go 'racing' with male friends. More headroom means a bigger boat, which can double the price. Try leaving the hatch open with a dodger installed (small weatherproof hood and screen). Use a 2 ft wood or PVC chock to keep the floats from fully closing, and the float sides wouldn't look grubby (no contact with water). However, if you insist on the bigger boat, he will be the happiest man in the world and the envy of his sailing buddies as the hurdle usually is wives objecting to spending more on the 'toy' and he will be under your spell forever!|
|Help! Opinion wanted from sailing mums|
|[from: Kathryn Ratcliffe, United Kingdom, 12 Aug 2003]|
|Help, calling any lady sailors - can you please give me your version of sailing on a DF 920. At present I'm sailing an F27 - find it very 'hairy', (particularly now that I have a little girl age 5) and really can't cope with the lack of standing headroom. Previous to this we sailed a Havcat 27, Telstar 26, Maldives 32 (cat)- didn't enjoy sailing the Maldives cat - never gave any indication when likely to flip and liked to burry her bows! Husband and I found her very difficult to handle in and out of the lock and on to our pontoon berth - she had to go - hence F27 - but wondering now if we should have looked at DF 920. Also don't like the way the floats tuck up on the F27- they always look grubby.
So any re-assuring comments from you sailing mums out there about the DF 920? Your comments would be much appreciated.
|To the Yardstick rating for Dragonflys|
|[from: Simon Forbes, UK, 23 May 2003]|
|Yardstick - Portsmouth Yardstick is used around the UK a bit. No official numbers for Dragonflies. Rough approximation is =1/(MOCRA Rating) typically around 1000 as a number. But Yacht Clubs can modify as they see fit.
Texel Yardstick is of course different. All the racing I do is using MOCRA Rating Rule
|Do you know the Yardstick ratings for Dragonflys|
|[from: Martin Rudolph, Germany, 20 May 2003]|
does anyone knows the YARDSTICK rating of a DF 920?
Are there differences in YARDSTICK rating for different sailing regions/areas?
|DF920 Extreme, I saw her also in Fredericia|
|[from: Tore Johannesen, Denmark, 4 Mar 2003]|
|I saw her also in Fredericia ... oboy, oboy! :-)
BTW: The beam folded is still 3,1 meter and not any extra as it is writen under daetails and....
|[Yes, when folded the beam is the same but the boat is much longer when folden, Bo]|
|DF920 Extreme on show in Fredericia/Denmark|
|[from: Kenny Poulsen, Denmark, 28 Feb 2003]|
|DF920 extreme was shown last week at the boat exhibition in Fredericia /Denmark. The exhibition continues in the coming weekend fri-sat-sunday.
It looks very impressive, much nicer than the old one. The new beams really suits the boat.
The boat on show is in some kind and very nice color of grey and with white deck, looks really great!! Just buy one!
|Any News of the DF920 Extreme|
|[from: Thees Mendt, Germany, 27 Feb 2003]|
|Gibt es News vom DF920 extreme?|
|[Is there any news of the DF920 Extreme? (Answer from Bo Wetzel: Yes, look at the Photo Gallery for the DF920) ]|
|3rd season sailing in the wonderful 920|
|[from: Gerry Weston-White, UK, 9 Dec 2002]|
|My wife and I have now completed our 3rd season sailing in and around the Baltic in the wonderful 920. No more mono- hulls for us. Our observations are:
1) Our best speed was 19.4 Kts for about 20 mins. in 25 Kts of wind which was 105 degrees true and 40degrees apparent. At this wind angle I believe there may be another 3 or 4 Kts available in smooth water but that could be near the flip limit. We had about 13 cms of free board but my calculations suggest it would flip before the free board zeroed out. I always sail using the apparent wind on the instruments - Jib tailtales also, as true wind is really academic at our speeds.
2) When our UK tapedrive kevlar sails were new, the best fast pointing was 27 degrees apparent. It is now 30 degrees apparent.
3) We use ST 60 Wind,Speed, Depth, Autohelm 2000 and the excellent Raychart 530 colour plotter. This is mounted on a bracket system so it can be used in the cabin or from the cockpit. All a wonderful inter-connected combination. We have now covered 4000 trouble free N/miles and lived on board upto 11 weeks.
4) I can get the mast up/down and get her on/off the trailer setup virtually single handed, it really is a great system.
5) The Bowspit has been modified with a universal mounting so it can be stowed alongside the pulpit rails which helps on many occasions.
6) The new DF920 Extreme is now being ordered. I really can't wait.
|More answers to Bill Fraser's April 4th post (see below)|
|[from: Larry Furst, USA, 4 Dec 2002]|
|1. Topping lift - (answer): it is not necessary because the boat comes with Lazy Jacks. They keep the boom from falling when raising / lowering sail. At anchor, the main halyard is attached to the aft end of the boom.
2. The boat doesn't have a kicker/vang - is this not necessary? (answer): No - it's not. If on a reach the apparent wind is generally moved forward and the traveler is to leeward, to provide enough downward force while the end of the boom is usually not far beyond the edge of the center hull. If deep-reaching you can disconnect the snap shackle from the leeward topshroud adjustment blocks, and clip it to the boom (an eye is provided on the boom) and it will function as downhaul and preventer, combined.
3. Where do you all keep your dingy/dingy outboards on the boat? (answer): This should be obvious -- the dinghy is kept upside down on the nets, of course. I tie mine down if rough conditions are expected, such as storms. I installed a "kicker pad" on the aft rail to attach my dinghy motor when storing it underway.
4. What is the acceptable way to behave when passing an obviously much more expensive, serious racing machine with crew hanging out on the gunwales? Abdicate to the spontaneous expression of hilarity and mirth? (answer): Of course not...you should appear that you don't notice you are passing at 2-4 times the speed, while they are either hanging-on for life to the rail or propped with legs stretched across the cockpit at 40 degrees heel. While you appear disinterested you should eat from the food arranged in your own level cockpit, with a bottle of wine, beer or water sitting (nice and steady) on top of the combing or cabin (where they can see it's not sliding). And do not adjust the sails (use the tiller to adjust for wind shifts)...you don't want it to look like you're trying. I usually leave it on autopilot so I can appear even more comfortable and relaxed. (smile)
|Pointing to wind, (Bill Fraser Aug 2002)|
|[from: Ernst Fellner, Germany, 7 Oct 2002]|
|My DF920 (with 39qm "racing") mainsail points 37 to 40 degr. to the true wind (Wendewinkel 74 - 80 Grad) at light winds.
The following triples of data were displayed on my "Raytheon ST60" wind instrument and log during light wind and no waves:
With VMG / speed = cos ( angle ) you get 37 - 40 degr.
|true wind:|| 8,8 || 8,0 || 9,2 kn|
|speed:|| 6,4 || 5,6 || 6,2 kn|
|VMG:|| 5,0 || 4,4 || 4,7 kn|
The trim of the mainsail is essentially, the Mylar mainsail is really fine!
|Dingies, pointing and seaworthiness etc - an answer and more questions|
|[from: Bill Fraser, UK, 10 Aug 2002]|
|Dingies: Now I am a seasoned 920 sailor (about a dozen trips!) I can answer one of my earlier questions: my Honda 2hp outboard fits easily in the large cockpit locker. I keep the dingy on the trampoline and mount the motor BEFORE pushing it into the water. Easy.
I stared off pointing into the apparent wind at about 45 degrees, but more recently have found I seem to go to wind better at 35 degrees. Does anyone have any views about what gives the best results?
[I found I can often point as high as 25 degrees and still get reasonable speeds and make good way to windward without too much tacking, Bo]
I am crossing the English Channel to Cherbourg as my first longish trip in 10 days' time. Does anyone have any experience of how the 920 behaves if I encounter rough seas?
Finally a note for Bo and other Yamaha 9.9hp users. You can throw the pipe cleaner away if you clean the plastic hose connector just inside the motor cover - mine was clogged with salt crystals and now the water flows fine.
|Atlantic Crossing, concerning Bo's answer|
|[from: Gerhard Hafele, Austria, 13 Aug 2002>]|
|Concerning Bo's answer on Reiner Wagners question (Atlantic crossing of DF 920 ):
Could you specify the estimated problems of the 920 when being used for conditions exceeding Bft 8 or 4m waves (category B) ?
Bo Wetzel: I will pass this question to Jens Qourning!
|DF920 - Single-handed across the Atlantic?|
|[from: Reiner Wagner, Germany, 28 July 2002]|
|Ist schon jemand mit einem Dragonfly 920 Einhand über den Atlantik gesegelt?|
|[Has anybody crossed the Atlantic single-handed in a DF920?]|
|Bo Wetzel: In my opinion and from my experience is the DF920 not suitable for such a task. This is also born out by the CE classification B of the DF920 (up to winds of force 8, 4m high waves and 60 miles to nearest harbour/shelter)!|
|First experiences of a new 920 owner and many questions|
|[from: Bill Fraser, UK, 4 April 2002, email@example.com]|
| bought 1998 DF920-25 last November. It looked a bit sad sitting in the brambles at Quornings where it was stored over winter, but now it is
assembled and in the water on the Solent here in the UK it looks splendid, and was clearly well looked after by the previous owner. Transport was
provided by Arne Reher (see links/contacts this site) who did a first class job of disassembly, transport from Denmark to the UK, reassembly and launch.
His knowledge and friendly advice were invaluable. Fortunately for me, the creator of this site, Bo Wetzel, decided to come along for the delivery too,
so I had the benefit of another DF920 owner's brains to pick as well. The combined wisdom of these two certainly saved hours if not days of time I would otherwise have spent trying to figure everything out.
Never having sailed a trimaran before (apart from a demo kindly provided by a DF800 owner), I approached the first outing last Saturday with some
trepidation. A family sailing friend, my wife, our 3 boys and I cruised at a gentle 5-7 knots up and down Southampton Water amazed by the light and
sensitive tiller and the absence of any fuss or drama in pointing, tacking and gybing. On Monday we went out again with another sailing couple feeling
a little more confident. We got the sails up and an immediate gust of wind took us up to 15.8 knots. Not what had been planned, but again all very
controlled and drama-free. The rest of the trip we beat at 35 deg into wind at about 7 knots then returned on a broad reach at 8-13 knots. Probably all
very routine for a seasoned Dragonfly owner, but some amazing sensations for a beginner. Firstly the absence of monohull heeling, which makes the ride
much more comfortable. Secondly the smoothness of the progression at speed - those narrow hulls put up hardly any bow-wave or wake. Thirdly the absurd
sensation of being able to walk around outside your boat. Finally the hilarity of leaving behind without any effort a serious racing boat going flat out with spinnaker set!
All the above is Lesson 1, and much remains to be learnt. But a few questions arise which I would be grateful for advice on:
1. DF920-25 doesn't have a topping lift - it is necessary to support the boom with the lazy jacks when the mainsail is down. Is this usual?
2. The boat doesn't have a kicker/vang - is this not necessary?
3. Where do you all keep your dingy/dingy outboards on the boat?
4. What is the acceptable way to behave when passing an obviously much more expensive, serious racing machine with crew hanging out on the gunwales? Abdicate to the spontaneous expression of hilarity and mirth? Try to keep a straight face and pretend it isn't happening? This must require some serious effort!
Conclusion: So much fun is probably both illegal and immoral, but if you are thinking of doing it, it's much better than you ever imagined!
|Some Answers to Bill Fraser's Questions.|
|[from: Bo Wetzel, 5 April 2002]|
|1) Topping-lift: Topping-lift is not possible because of the shape of the main sail. I use the main halyard and attached it to the end of the boom when the sail is down.
2) Kicker/Vang: When sailing downwind I rig a line from the end of the boom to the end of the aft-beam and back to the cockpit winch. This takes over the function of the kicker/vang and acts also as preventer against accidental gibes and dangerous boom movements when motor boats pass too close. I've heard from other who use the backstay for that, but I prefer to keep mine in place.
3) Space for dinghy: I don't know
4) Overtaking Racing Monohulls: It shows the serious problems we poor trimaran sailers sometimes face. I pass with a friendly wave and a gentle smile.
|What a hoot!|
|[from: Robert Schultz, USA, 3 Feb 2002, firstname.lastname@example.org]|
|I bought a DF920-52 new in May, 2000. What a hoot! I sail it single-hand most of the time with a roller furling asymmetric and a roller furling screecher. I bought the standard sails because I was getting out of a monohull and I figured no matter how good a sail upgrade would be, I would be going real fast anyway. So far, my top has been 17.99 kts single-handed. It was great passing power boats. Sailing it is to learn all the time. One problem, I don't seem to be able to tack through less than 115 degrees. Is it because the apparent wind goes so far forward, that I'm tacking through maybe 95 degrees true? I don't have any wind instruments other than a Windex.|
|Used (2nd Hand) Dragonflys:|
|[from: Derek Easter, UK, 23 Dec 2001, d.t.Easter@ic24.net]|
|Bill Fraser asks if older models show sign of wear and if there has been any changes. My 920 was launched 1997. First as demo boat and then with me for 3 years. There is no sign of wear anywhere. Little change with new boats. Pulpit has been extended slightly. Bilge pumps added to meet new EEC standards and the petrol tank has been re-locasted. This is my second dragonfly the first being an 800. It is very difficult to fault these boats. I only keep boats for three years so will be selling this one and buying - yes another Dragonfly 920 when I can find a newer model at a reasonable price.|
|Used Dragonflys (see Bill Frasers letter below)|
|[from: Bo Wetzel, FR/UK, 26 Nov 2001]|
|2 years ago I bought a second-hand 920 (no 14). I have had no problems (and no regrets!) other than normal wear and tear. No problems with the ama/aka/hull joints! But a point to note is, that the high-tech Kevlar/Carbon sails don't last as long as "normal" sails!|
|Used Dragonfly 920s|
|[from: Bill Fraser, UK, 20 Nov 2001]|
|I am thinking of buying a used 920; does anyone have any reservations about used boats - any points to look for? For example, can one be confident that the ama/aka joints are trouble-free? Are there any improvements that have been incorporated in more recent models?|
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|On the Lake Constance or Bodensee, we made 20.6 Knots |
|[from: Jens B. Thuesen, Germany, 10 April 2002, email@example.com]|
|In our DF 920-68, on the Lake Constance or Bodensee, we made 20.6 Knots early April this year, 2002, in a nice (cool) north east true wind of 22-28 knots, with full main and genua. The leeward ama still had lots of reserve. We thereby almost broke the speed limit for boats with engines, which is 40 Km/h on the lake.|
|Maximum Speed of the 920|
|[from: Bo Wetzel, 8/10/2001, FR]|
|Is it really true, that the 920 can do over 20knots ?|
|Ref: Maximum Speed 920|
|[from: Robin Geier, 9/10/2001, D]|
|To the question from Bo Wetzel (8/10/2001): Yes, I have done it (and have a photo to prove it)! 20knots and my wife and daughter where playing at the cabin table at the same time. Mind you, it was a very calm sea.|
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